Mumbai Under Seige

Taj Hotel Burning at Mumbai

Taj Hotel Burning at Mumbai

Image courtsey CNN-IBN slideshow

26 November: Shock reverberates in my body when I see the morning newspaper headline, while traveling for work. Mumbai under siege. 80 dead, 300 injured. I visibly withered after reading the headline. I had missed last evening (25 November) bulletin.

Was it a coincidence that a day ago I had watched Denzel Washington-Bruce Willis-Annette Bening-starrer 1998 movie, The Seige? One of the targets of attack in the movie was elite broadway after having hit the commute system. Eventually military was called to manage country’s own citizens against all prudence. Now elite hotels like Taj and Trident Oberoi are under siege. Terrorists have attacked Nariman House, CST terminal and hospitals. Since three days! Death toll and number of injured have increased since the first newspaper headline. 125 lives lost and 327 injured as per latest bulletin. You can check list of released hostages, injured, and deceased here at Mumbai Help.

Hostage. Most feared word in recent times – hostages. It was just few days ago that the 60-day saga of hostages captured by Somali pirates ended. Entire nation had been hanging on to the awaited release and return of Captain Goyal. Now Mumbai. 40 hostages released, 93 from Trident…but you never have clear idea that how many are still inside. I hope this is the last leg and then there are more.

Survivor and trauma stories are also pouring in.  One survivor says, “Actually while we were in we never realised the magnitude of the attack. We kept thinking it would be over in a few hours – can’t believe it is still on!”

I am grieved like many other about the losses, but I am seething for following reasons:

1. Media: Why do they also have to report live, every movement of our NSGs? Where they are, when they are being airdropped, how many commandos, when helicopter came and when it went….Why? If we can speak to the hiding hostages on phone, I am sure these trained terrorists have their easy own sources of outside news outside whom they can contact via cells. (One news channel did report about a dead terrorist’s phone that had received 5 calls from Karachi.) One of the hiding hostages called up his home in Ghaziabad to tell he was safe and hiding in the basement. Our news channels broadcast it live, without editing his location. We have not heard of him since. I hope he is safe.

Nor do the news channels and news portals double-check before broadcasting rumors. All of them broadcasted there was another round of firing at CST today. Railway police denied it later.

I am sick of the panic that is being created throughout the country with sensational replays and replays of firing thuds. I respect that the service they are doing by informing us, but I earnestly wish that they would do it more responsibly. I am not shying away from calamity, only I do not want terrorists to succeed in their motive to create panic.

2. Police: This may not be the right time to say it as 3 officers: Ashok Kamte, ATS chief Hemant Karkare, Vijay Salaskar and NSG chief Sandeep Unnikrishnan have laid their lives fighting the terrorists. But I have a huge grudge against ATS and police force of entire country. I know none of us have faith in our law enforcement.

I am sick of hearing police claims of ‘cracking’ the case and having arrested the ‘masterminds’. It is a lie, and we know it when we are struck more ruthlessly by little known terrorists again.

Several cases like Uma Khurna case and Arushi murder case in Noida saw police feeding all sort of lies and conspiracies to the media and public to save their face. I bear a similar grudge against ATS and also late ATS chief Hemant Karkare who had arrested Sadhvi Pragya and others for Malegaon blasts. I think any ‘saint’ or ‘dervish’, irrespective of religion, may turn out to be a terrorist, but I condemn this practice of calling an accused a criminal unless proven. There is no proof, except some fleeting mention of tape that has never been presented, and Sadhvi and her counterparts have already been condemned as ‘mastermind’ Hindu terrorists throughout the country. Read the Sadhvi’s affidavit published by this organisation called Rogue Police that protests again police atrocities:

I do not count her guilty till she is proven so. Nor do you. We can’t get swayed everytime police lies to us. I have written about our this responsibility before.

I appeal to all law enforcement bodies to not to inundate the public, influenced by political motivations or with need to hide incompetence and corruption, with lies. Do not trap the innocent. We are in for a war against terror. It is not a random home-grown petty terrorist hurting us, it is mammoth planned, organised, synchronised war that has been financed with big bucks. Nothing could have grabbed more headlines for the than long, gruelling siege. They single out foreign nationals, specifically British and American just goes to show their aim.

3. Intelligence Bureau: It has certainly gone for a toss. Terrorists plot for months and get away with it. I will let Vir Sanghvi make this point.

4. Us, the Citizens: Yes, I know that some of us been constantly posting updates, posting condolences, protests but we need to do more. Alone I know, none of us can achieve. But together we can campaign for the rights of innocent, campaign for alertness by reporting any undue occurrences (like one of terrorists supposedly bought groceries for 50k in the first week!) however silly they might seem, can help each other. I was saddened when one colleague said, “jansankhya kam ho rahi hai”! Even in humor, this is insensitive. Why do we have to sit passively and comment insensitively until we are the jansankhya that is hit next time.

Let us be alert, campaign for the just cause and help each other.

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71 Responses to “Mumbai Under Seige”


  1. 1 Shefaly November 28, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    @ Poonam

    The disease is an epidemic of distrust. Between citizens, amid communities, between the police and the public, between politicians and their electorate.

    We have to start somewhere, by forgiving someone, even if that someone is a misguided press reporter, or a policeman who turns his back to a crime and by living, ourselves, to stand the highest possible scrutiny.

    Everyone wants to reform the world, nobody wants to reform themselves as Leo Tolstoy implied. Let’s be the change we want to see, as Gandhi suggested. Starting today.

  2. 2 Reema November 28, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Ur colleague is….I dont have words..one of the people due to whom we have this situation today.
    The same stuff politicians are made of..selfish and unconcerned for the public, the same people who elected them to be their representative. all they are representing is their own interests.

    As for RAW and IB..i m speechless. What do they do sitting in their offices?
    I think we should start a signature campaign to send to the PM and NDTV for respective reasons of removing terrorists and Barkha Dutt.

  3. 3 Smita November 28, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    At 1:00 pm today we got a call that there are fresh attacks @ CST and trains are cancelled. We panicked. We had no other means to go home. Few mins back it was confirmed that it was a rumor. But it took hours to explain to others that it was a rumor.

    Few mins later there was a fresh rumor that some terrorists have entered Navi Mumbai, my colleague was on her way to collect her son but a call to school said there is no such issue.

    An hour later there was a fresh rumor that some terrorists have entered a mall and will blow it….

    When I got up today i thought things wud be undercontrol….the safe Taj still had a terrorists inside….

    Trust me I agree with all your points but am now so sick of all these things that I am short of words….

  4. 4 Anniyan November 28, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    “jansankhya kam ho rahi hai”
    Well I hope these terrorists also realize this. They should realize that they are eradicating some of their own species from the face of the earth. If they feel the earth is too crowded, why don’t they just kill themselves and leave the others in peace?

  5. 5 pantomimosa November 29, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Its sick about these rumours when they happen! Sittin in calcutta, there was a rumour that our office had a bomb! we understood its a hoax but when sniffer dogs were brought in n a bomb squad, one did think twice

  6. 6 museditions November 29, 2008 at 4:07 am

    Poonam, my friend, thank you for your post. We in the US and the world grieve with you. I am so sorry that threats and rumors continue to confuse and frighten many people. This just prolongs the terror. The news coverage sounds very confusing to us. I agree with you about wishing the news media would stop broadcasting the same scenes over and over, and reporting rumors. This is hard on the children, on everyone. My heart is with you today; my thoughts and prayers are with India and her people.

  7. 7 Crazy Sam November 29, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Poonam, I was also quite perplexed when I saw media reporting every plan of action of the commandos. In fact, I think every one should read this post by Chyetanya Kunte.

  8. 8 amreekandesi November 29, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    Poonam, in a few years we will probably look back on the role of Indian media these past years and realize how much of a role it has played in taking our society on a downward path. People often talk about the importance of constructive and unbiased journalism, but our media doesn’t know these words.

    Also, good points about the law enforcement agencies.

    I was in India at the time of the Arushi murder investigations and was appalled by news reports of TV crews storming into the apartment of the doctor in the presence of a hapless police force, destroying all evidence in the process. Firstly the police is incapable of anything, and then they play to the media. Also, there is this new trend of pronouncing judgement before the courts have had the chance to do their thing.

    Who is worse, the media or the police. Its a tough call.

  9. 9 Arpit November 29, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    its a very sorry state of affairs . i was literally into tears when i read a few stories and i decided to make one of these stories a part of my post condemning the mumbai blast. i was glued to tv ever since the blast. this was one monstrous attack.
    i have decided to observe a peace march against terrorism on my blog for one week and i have lit the torch of peace. i request you to carry forward this torch on your blog to mark the solidarity of blogging community. thanks

  10. 10 Anshul November 29, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Hostages, yes, even before Mumbai siege was over, another ship got hijacked with 25 Indians on board. And, now when everything seems to be over(as NSG claims), “#Mumbai” which was used as a keyword to spread news and information about the incident on twitter is being used to hurl abuses at other communities,nationalities or promote blogs etc. on twitter.

    Our under-manned police is well trained to ticket automobile drivers than to fight even petty crimes and it is good at doing that. You will find them actively standing at No-Entry lanes even in very early hours so that they can ticket drivers who are coming the wrong way, but if you will go to lodge a F.I.R. with the police for some crime etc.,they will refuse to do so esp. if they are expected to take some action post reporting.

  11. 11 blueandgrey November 29, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    i want to murder those guys with my very own hands… if they have the guts then they shouldnt pick softer targets…instead try destroying places which are beyond their reach…this act of cowardice should be strongly condemned and the so called superpowers should take strong steps against it… i so regret the death of so many innocent lives…

  12. 12 Anshul November 29, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    @blueandgrey, You won’t need to murder them, they were here to die anyway, dying to win. What are the targets that you think are beyond their reach ?

  13. 13 praneshachar November 29, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    “Light a Candle For Peace”
    your post on this is still fresh in our memories and this worst tragedy has happened and we are indeed sad a vitural war in mumbai and hats off to the brave officers who just sacrificed tehir lives for fight againist terrorism.This was a cowardly act again utilising the youth and making their minds corrupt. let all the bereaved families get the strength to bear the loss and we all must ponder what and how this can be arrested. a global fight and educating the all is the need of the hour. who will benefit by this no one except some fundamantilists having saddist mind. we are human beings and hamnity and manking must live for peace and love not for war and hatread.
    pranesh

  14. 14 Amit November 29, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Thank God I did not followed News channel for updates. I was glued to the internet.
    The nation was in a panic, but News channels left no stone unturned to raise the panic.
    I am hearing the name of this mad woman called Barkha whatever who had been specifically instrumental in that.

  15. 15 kashif iqbal November 30, 2008 at 12:19 am

    the Mumbai siege was a very good drama by the indian government. well guess what…… im not buying it……..

    10 people took over the whole nation… hahaha how funny is that. God save u from Pakistan, they will eat you alive… hahahah

    its time for u indian ppl to wake up…..ur own government is killing you all n then the blame game starts.

    Help me understand something…. why were the 3 police officers who were investigating in to the train blast ( Samjhota Express) by ur own army colonel killed in the first 5 minutes of the siege??

    n the Colonel is now standing for elections in ur so called democracy…… hahahaha

    India just makes me sick…. nothing else i wish to say to u all… may God have mercy on ur souls…….

  16. 16 manushi November 30, 2008 at 6:37 am

    @kashif whoever you are…fear God….hundreds of people have died and THAT IS MAKING YOU LAUGH???….we INDIANS still have humanity left in us and we DONT FEAR from monsters like the terrorists….and THIS DRAMA IS NOT BY THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT….we HAVE patriots in our country who didn’t think twice about their own life… before saving their people’s life…fear God…because HE IS ONE…HE DOESNOT BELONG TO YOU AND ME….HE BELONGS TO US ALL AND HE IS WATCHING.

  17. 17 Mohammad Ali November 30, 2008 at 10:07 am

    @Kashif
    We, the Indo-pak people are mourning the tragedy and deaths of countless lives in Mumbai. I am in Rawalpindi, and anyone whom I have come across not only condemns the attacks but condoles the families of the victims and Mumbaikars in general.

    True the blame game started by Indian Government is spoiling the overall reaction of Pakistani community, but on humanitarian level everyone is in grief, no body in celebrating or having a laugh about it.

    What Kashif thinks is that it was a pre-planned strike by the Indian Gvoenment itself, stems from the fact that previously the plane hijacking, and killing of Sikhs near Srinagar, were in high days of tensions between India & Pakistan, were propogated as planned by indian agencies to blame Pakistan. We all had grown out of it, in the past few years, and I was releived.

    There are 25% of world’s population living in two countries, if we are to be on each others heels all the time, then future of South Asia and World in general is jeopradized for ever.

    here are a few links to popular Pakistani blogs, this might help Indian counterparts to understand what an average Pakistani thinks at the moment. Please, let me assure you, Pakistani public condemns these attacks, and sympathizes with you in this tragic hour:

    1.) http://pakistan.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2008/11/29/india-empathy-grief-in-pakistan-at-mumbai-mayhem/
    2.)http://riseofpakistan.blogspot.com/2008/11/blame-game-is-on-south-asia-walking-on.html
    3.) http://pakistaniat.com/2008/11/28/mumbaikar-mumbai-terror-pakistani-view/

    about me:

    http://herosindigenes.wordpress.com

    http://riseofpakistan.blogspot.com

  18. 18 Amit November 30, 2008 at 10:09 am

    @kashif : Which animal are you? Because you don’t seem to be a human. If death of innocent people can make you laugh then you should go and kill your own family. That would be the ultimate laughter show for you.
    And please stop making a fool out of yourself. The whole world knows who is involved in these attacks.
    I hope you have heard of the story of the shepherd who used to scream – Lion!Lion! just to scare the villagers. The villagers believed him but were always fooled. Finally when the lion actually came, there was no one to help him.
    So, stop fooling yourself. You would just end up being a laughing stock.
    And if India makes you sick, then maybe you are already brainwashed. Maybe you are going to be a part of the next terrorist group which lands up here.

    @Poonam : Sorry for the backlash, but this guy nearly made me puke.

  19. 19 Pranav November 30, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Kashif: Its unbelievable that someone can be so cynical even in the wake of this catastrophe. I pray for the people who lost their lives. Somebody who can laugh in the face of this atrocity is not in his right mind. I am sure someone like you will say that Marriot in Pakistan burned as part of drama by pakistani government.

  20. 20 kashif iqbal November 30, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    manushi….. u r telling me to fear God….. ok fine i will. but based on 1 condition that u first go to kashmir n stay there for a week n see for urself what ur army does to civilians who don’t wanna be a part of you n ur army is killing them on daily basis……. because of what…………… what is their fault….. don’t they have children at home, wives, mothers just like u n me….. how many mass graves r there is indian held kashmir that even the European Parliament recently passed a resolution for investigating in to those mass graves…

    Give me the details of 1 mass grave in Pakistani territory n i’lll send u 10 thousand rupees as a reward for ur research…

    u indians shouldn’t be even talking about humanity………n human made gods…….

    n as far as the marriot hotel goes…… the pakistani government nor its people nor its media will ever blame india before any investigation can be carried out…… n as far the politicians r concerned they give a fuck about marriot…… nobody said anything that related to india.

    but look at ur gujrat CM…… the guy knows from well before time that who r the guyz who r inside….offcourse he knows… coz he planned it.. he was on the team… hez been killing innocent people in gujrat before now a drama which went……. badly wrong……

    coz the gov were to come with terms with these people but they killed them……except for 1 offcourse…

  21. 21 kashif iqbal November 30, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    all of u watch this….

  22. 22 kashif iqbal November 30, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    the 2nd part of the talk show…. plz watch it….

    believe me nobody likes killing another human being be it from which ever country he or she may be…… but the people should be given the real facts of the events n the real culprits exposed n given punishment.

    i have lived with indians for 8 years. and my best friend was from Aagra, we never even said anything bad related to our respective countries…..

    all these politicians are creating wars based on their own agenda between us where as on the personal level we have no issues.

  23. 23 Arpit November 30, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    @ kashif : i had second manushi on this. no one is playing blame games here. the government has evidence that the terrorist were from the pok region. obviously we dont have any problem with pakistan’s people. we are humane enough to realize that people living there are just the same as we are. but i think its people like you who have such stinking attitude which brings shame to your own country. an atrocity which has struck so many people, have left many orphaned , many as widows, you are regarding it as a well scripted “drama” staged by indian government! had there been even a single pakistani citizen to be killed in the blast, would you have still regarded it as a show put on so well? i just pity on you for having such narrow minded thinking and for being so inhumane . god has shown enough of mercy on our souls but i just pray that he shows the same mercy on an “inhumane” soul like you

  24. 24 Rolling December 1, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Hi I read ur cmmnts at Nita’s and I found this at Sify News, the slide show is titled Bollywood Strikes Back, and starts with the same shot you have as ur header for this post and the second shot shows celeb byte of (I cut copy paste the caption as it is) This might be where Nita’s sms originated:
    Shveta Salve
    “Please send me Raj Thackeray`s number, if you can find it. I don`t know where he is when we need him. We want him to go and save Amchi Mumbai along with his MNS (Maharashtra Navnirman Sena) men. After all they are the `sons of the soil`, aren`t they? The army, the commandos who are right now battling to save Mumbai are not all Marathi Manoos, are they? I wonder why they should risk their lives for us!”

    The other slides includes bytes from Hema Malini, shabana Azmi, Arshad Warsi etc. I am posting the link here without the http, if you use the link on the main IE browser window it takes you there, Google search bar blocks it. thx.

    sify.com/movies/bollywood/imagegallery/galleryDetail.php?hcategory=13733814&hgallery=14808485

    I wanted u to see it bec I noticed that u were one of the few that tried to see that it didnt contain malice but simply outrage against partisan politics of RT. It has nothing to do wth Marathi Manoos or any manoos as generic idea – just anger and outrage of someone who is in agony over what happened. I think while journos passed it back and forth it might have become curtailed in sms lingo?

  25. 25 Liju Philip December 1, 2008 at 7:33 am

    Heads need to roll. The nincompoop Shivraj Patil is gone. Naryanan of NSA resigned, but MMS rejected it. We need to have the heads of IB (PC Haldar)and R&AW roll.

    And that stupid SOB RR Patil who was so busy screwing up the lives of bar girls instead of focusing on the law and order in his state needs to go.

    Not to mention the Thuggerarys. The next time you see them on the road, kick their backsides. Both uncle/nephew are only good at selling vada pavs.

  26. 26 Poonam Sharma December 1, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    @Shefaly: We have been forgiving all along, Shefaly. Forgiving of atrocities inflicted by own countrymen. It seems passively, silently watching unjust acts has become synonym to forgiving. :( Being the change alone is not enough in a country of billion residents, it is need for masses to come together. Perhaps get ourselves into murky politics with own people, own resources and campaigners. It may take some to happen, but it will happen.

    @Reema: Yes, we pay our intelligence agencies our taxpayer’s money to do as their bidding. My colleague is cool and fails to see anything wrong with his comment. But then nor do my other colleagues. They are quite tolerant of the view. :( I never saw Barkha Dutt’s questioning, but I am amazed a woman as accomplished as her has to ask such stupid questions!

    @Smita: I understand what you mean. I am not in Mumbai, yet I panicked. :( I wish news portals had chek that before publishing. And as for Taj, even after announcing is was safe, firing battle was raging on inside. I read somewhere that Taj will now be closed for a year for restoration and the bill would be 500-crore!

    @Anniyan: These terrorists are prepared to die and they believe thaat their bravery lies in taking at least hundreds with themselves. :( I wish we would not be breeding ground of more disgruntles youth that can be misused at the hands of evil elements.

    @Museditions: Thank you for the message of support! I appreciate your gesture, my dear friend. :)

    @Crazysam: Thanks for the link. I will read the article.

    @amreekandesi: yes, arushi murder case was one of the worst handles cases in recent time. Even now we have no hopes about nailing the culprit. :( But in between, police and media lay no stone upturned to malign the character of victim, parents and their associates. Gruesome portrayal. Then they went ahead and tries framing each domestic help. Targeting the weak. and today with no evidence, its a deadlock. That is precisely why now whenever police claim to catch the ‘mstermind’, I don’t believe then. Narendra Modi did that too catching ahmedabad blast ‘mastermind’ onlt to be rebuffed with new blasts in Delhi that were claimed by same ‘mastermind’. Both police and media lie in public. Hateful! Forgiving thsi now is like turning a blind to their deeds. :(

  27. 27 Poonam Sharma December 1, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    @Arpit: I will carry your torch. I can undertsand your feelings, it was a terrifying and sad feeling. I have now detached myself to post-analysis reports and stories of victims. Disheartening.

    @Anshul: I hate it when people fight amongst themselves over caste, region and religion. I ahve been reading about such stuff on blogs by well-aware citizens. It aggrieves me even more.

    Police is definitely corrupt. Thats why they prefer to stand at no-entry’s than to chase goons. But media doesnt report well either. I read and watched some reports that said ATS chief died of an erratic grenade hitting him and not while being in combat. Then I read reports that live television coverage showed them wearing bullet-proofs, so terrorists hit them in neck. Then I read the bullet-proofs were sub-standard.

    @blueandgrey: I can understand your rage. But we need tohold our wits and think what we can do? Jaago Re.

    @praneshachar: yes, hats off to our brave soldiers who laid their lives to protect us. I hope we find a way to end this mayhem of terror.

    @kashif iqbal: I see the video clips you posted here on my blog. I saw the gross representation of facts in Pak media. All that lives lost, it is not fake. All that trauma and suffereing by hostages, it is not fake. And tell you what, it was not just Indian national who were threatened this time. There were foreign nationals whose lives were in jeopardy. Whole world was watching and they empathise with the situation. But I am surprised, some cynics as you still think we could be faking! Why in the world? Is that how things work in Pakistan? That you guys fake suffering or attcks like Mariot to fool the world? I never say that Pakistan makes me sick, so what gives you the right of calling my country sick. Any further defamatory comment from you will be deleted. I have already cut out your f-words.

    @Amit: I understand the backlash. That was actually a very strongly worded comment in a bad taste.

    @Pranav: You echo my sentiments exactly. Strangers come together in times as these, here it is uncanny to see people still in denial about the terror caused.

    @Mohammad Ali: Thanks for your voice of reason. Yes, we can not afford to be at loggerheads. I agree populace (of both Pak and India) doesn;t want to fight, but the Pak gov need to express their commitment beyong their words. Its time for them to act that they are with India in war against terror.

    Thanks for all your links! I went over and read your blog too.

    @kashif: Lets not talk about atrocities by police in Kashmir alone. If you read my blog, each region in India has suffered from police atrocities. Pakistan is not stranger to how military functions. So lets not talk about it now when we are discussing terror attck in the country.

    The video links you gave me for Pak media go on to show how a section of our neighbouring country’s media likes to misrepresent facts. But as Mohammed pointed out above, there are voices of reason too in Pak. We, Indians, will extend our hand of solidarity to those. As for people with beliefs like you, you will always find us standing in firm face-off.

    @Arpit: I agree, that was quite narrow-minded and peurile thought process displayed in Kashif’s comments.

    @Rolling: Thanks for sending me these links! True! Perhaps this is where the sms originated. How quick we all are to misinterpret things when it comes to our region and religion? I was saddened to learn of its communal interpretation. More saddened because well-educated people too take such silly messages to heart. I avoid writing about them because religion and region can give birth to insidious feeings of rage and dissatisfaction. When you point such things out, each one is forced to take a stand that you could call communal or noncommunal depending on your mindset.

    @Liju Philip: Your request to God has been heard. Patil is out. Thackerys, they need to be squashed in public, I agree. But I have a fear that in perverse sort of way he may have found some takers who thinks he does stand for Marathi Manoos. :( Even educated ones. Politicians like him do not rake up such issues again and again if it were not such a tried and tested formula. I hope to God I am wrong.

  28. 28 Xylene December 1, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    I heard someone on tv saying that we should be doing our part.

    1. Wait paitently at airport for security checks !!! and patiently obey the security personnel at malls, multiplexes…. They are trying to help you and not irritate you by checking your bags.
    2. report any suspicious activity to the authorities (taking them seriously would be their job)
    3. Doing a quick background check on your tenants when you are going to rent out your house/flats.
    4. Unite and not let the politicians divide us.
    5. Donate blood.
    6. Dont spread hatred via sms/internet.
    7. Channelize the anger to get constructive solutions.

  29. 29 Shefaly December 1, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    @Poonam

    Forgiving does not mean forgetting. This time as tens of thousands of Bombayites return to work in S Bombay passing the burnt Taj on the way, they will not forget.

    On the rest, well, how do groups come together? When one person decides to start to ask others to join her or him, one person at a time… I have done it more than once and now I know more people who have done it many times too.

    At the moment, some friends are raising money on Twitter to help the families of those cops and commandos who died. In London, a short vigil was held by the Indian High Commission on Sunday but two of us are organising two more so that we can involve the broader investment community who is putting money into India. (Yes, getting sober was rather important; when I turned up for my Thursday meetings, my clients said they expected me to cancel and I said the dead do not die so the living have a reason to shun life, and they appreciated it very much; India’s success story is linked to inward investment and we need to shore up sentiment and act as ambassadors of India, calm in public, grieving in private, every day). Symbolic things like vigils can be imbued with meaning too.

    Some of us have significant contacts with many grassroots democracy movements in India which is where change will emerge – where the leaders remain away from political roles etc – in India and we are now whittling down the lists of whom we will support through funding (giving money) and oversight and advice (giving time).

    Sentiment is no use if it cannot be put to good use.

    So well, that was my (forgiving) weekend, how was everybody else’s?

  30. 30 Shefaly December 1, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    @Poonam

    We are raising money too but Indian NGOs/ not-for-profit bodies cannot receive funds from abroad without a tonne of red tape. So we are forced to give money privately.

    If you have ideas about last mile NGOs that can channel money being raised via Twitter and through other networks, please let me know. Thanks.

  31. 31 Liju Philip December 1, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Kashif, no evidence of Indian involvement was found in the marriot blasts hence PORKistan didnt raise that issue. Here there is clear evidence that PORKistani soil was used for the Bombay attack. All the terrorists killed are PORKistanis. They were in constant touch with their masters in Karachi over satellite phones. The email was sent from a Lahore IP Address. What more evidence do you need?

    You speak of human rights in Kashmir? Have a look at both sides of Kashmir and tell me which is the region of Kashmir better developed? The Indian side or the PORKistani side?

    ——parts of message truncated ———–

    Sorry for highjacking your blog Poonam, but i couldnt resist —— trying to lecture us.

    PS: Poonam, feel free to censor or delete this msg ;)

  32. 32 kashif iqbal December 1, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Liju Philipp my friend……..being a son of MNA…. which means in our country Member of National Assembly…. or whatever term is used in ur country… i don’t know and i don’t care…..what u r talking about is all based on assumptions n nothing else….you and your government are just good at assuming things that the IP address is of Pakistan, the ID card found is of Pakistan…n Bla bla bla…… n the story is fed in to the minds of these poor indians who can’t even find a one time meal to eat….. for once i’ll have the decency of not swearing at general public which even includes u my friend…

    i am a son of dictator… sorry if u don’t like it or not….. and i have dictated people all these 28 years of ma life….

    and i will do the same with u even if u like it or not…..because my dictations has no boundaries.

    and 2ndly u talked about development in kashmir…. ive been to kashmir…… AZAD KASHMIR….. not INDIAN HELD KASHMIR……
    except for natural gas everything else is there…. the roads infrasture even after the quake…. (i am not blaming ur government for creating those shock waves…. hahaha) development takes time my friend…. even for a third world countries like urs n mine…. n if u have honest people working…. then everything becomes easy….

    but the only difference in AZAD kashmir n Indian Held Kashmir is the amount of army….. coz during ma trip i hardly found any except for their barracks….. where as in ur country the situation is vice versa…… they r killing people…..

    u see… what u fail to see is the disparity in ur society….. which starts right from the caste system. ….. your society is the most perfect example…. we muslims alhumdlillah…… even i can stand in line with the king of saudi arabia and pray at the same time…… no difference no matter from where we r…

    n pigs r good for u… they r haram for us…. we don’t eat them….

  33. 33 kashif iqbal December 2, 2008 at 12:05 am

    poonam….. why u don’t want to talk about police atrocities in ur part of kashmir…..or u r just one of those people who would just close their eyes n think as if nothing is happening n nobody is watching….

    im sorry i don’t do that…… how does our army functions…..??

    can u be specific?

  34. 34 Amit December 2, 2008 at 12:27 am

    @kashif : We have already gone through hell in the past three days because of your bloody country. Will you please stop making us feel guilty about that? Will you stop making us feel guilty that we believe in the evidence that had been produced which points at your country’s involvement?
    If a blast happens in Pakistan and your government produces evidence that India is behind that, would you blindly refuse to believe that and say – No!! India was not involved but it was because of a communal clash between the Shias and the Sunnis and the government of Pakistan is just trying to take advantage of the situation?
    Would you do that?

    Having said that, can you please leave us alone in this moment of tragedy and not keep on sprinkling chilly on our wounds. You can write essays here about Pakistan’s innocence but believe me, none of us care a damn and none of us is going to believe in your crap.
    So, just go away.

  35. 35 lallopallo December 2, 2008 at 1:12 am

    Kashif, just the very fact that you are being allowed to propogate your nonsense here on this blog says a lot about our democracy and openness among our common citizens.

  36. 36 kashif iqbal December 2, 2008 at 1:13 am

    just go away is not the answer which i can accept… sorry amit…. n plz don’t use ur street language..throwing chillies and all that bull#$#$……

    ur government accuses my country of attacks n produces some assumptions for ppl like u to believe in….. and they have achieved to some extent…..

    i don’t know if u remember or not…but just few weeks back… some sessions of Parliament went on in which press were not allowed… let me tell u 1 thing which happened in those sessions….

    agents of ur bloody raw n mossad were presented in front of the whole members n they were calling themselves talibans with beards… who r creating all these situation in my country….. so what if 180 of ur people died….. so did mine….but the army has them under their control…. n they will speak…..i assure u that.

    but i leave it to the authorities to deal with it… nothing to worry my friend….. time heals everything……. just be brave enough to face it…

  37. 37 Rob Stratton December 2, 2008 at 4:43 am

    I’ve been watching the interviews and developing facts, coming out of Mumbai, about the actions of the people of India.

    The quality-of-character of the Indian people is absolutely amazing to me. They are true heroes, evidenced by saving the lives of foreigners first, even before considering their own safety, or that of their families -this at a time when the popularity of westerners is at a world-wide all-time low.

    This is not merely a reflection of a few brave people; it is a clear reflection of the deep character of the entire country of India. This level of commitment to strangers does not occur quickly –it is a solid foundation of character developed through years of trial, tribulation, and the collective conquering of faith over fear and evil.

    Care for the lives of others at this level meets the highest definition of courage, unselfish bravery, and Godly love, by the heroic people of the great country of India.

    -Rob Stratton

    http://www.attorneycop.com

  38. 38 praneshachar December 2, 2008 at 4:48 am

    below comment by lallopallo speaks volumes
    Kashif, just the very fact that you are being allowed to propogate your nonsense here on this blog says a lot about our democracy and openness among our common citizens.

    just let us not boost anything whole world knows where r we we need not
    represent our case. there is talent in pak but used more for destructive purpose than constructive purpose these blog comments and posts are for sharing our concern and views and not a platform for hatredness and advertisements by fundalenatlists. Poonmam has not used her power not to publish the comment and that is what indian soul does. give opportunity to all.
    kashif iqbal think from your innersoul, retrospect what has happened in two neighbours development. industrialisation, educations and all other fields the facts speak for themselves.
    poonam a great committment shown and exercised by you in this cse and kudos to you for a very balanced stand
    long live unity long live development and we oppose terrorism in any form in any part of the world
    pranesh

  39. 39 Liju Philip December 2, 2008 at 6:58 am

    ya development takes time but you are so busy funding jehadi terror that you dont have money to build roads, schools, hospitals etc.

  40. 40 Liju Philip December 2, 2008 at 7:01 am

    Kashif, good stories you write. Are you by any chance a scriptwriter of the lollywood industry?

  41. 41 Liju Philip December 2, 2008 at 7:22 am

    Btw Poonam, the only one positive thing about this attacks has been the death of Israeli and American citizens. Till now the Americans never cared if Indians died. For them, it was just a statistic.

    Now, the pressure on PORKistan will increase. Obama has promised to hunt Osama wherever he is in PORKistan. And yesterday he again reiterated that he will go after AlQaeda within PORKistan with or without their consent.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/02mumterror-india-has-the-right-to-go-after-terrorists.htm

    With the killing of the Jews in Nariman house opens another chapter. The Israelis neither forgive nor forget. We can now see a lot of targetted killings within PORKistan. Am eagerly waiting to see that.

  42. 42 amit December 2, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Nice try Kashif. You completely sidelined my main question which I knew you would.

    The question was – If a blast happens in Pakistan and your government produces evidence that India is behind that, would you blindly refuse to believe that and say – No!! India was not involved but it was because of a communal clash between the Shias and the Sunnis and the government of Pakistan is just trying to take advantage of the situation?
    Would you do that?

    Instead you went on to say all kind of nonsense things which don’t make any difference to any of us. You are just a third grade citizen of a terrorist breeding loser country which is of no importance to anyone. So, we really don’t care what you think. Infact nobody in the world cares what you think.

    And you remind me of a dog I had, whom I kicked out of my house when he tried to bite me.

    And oh yes!!!! this time don’t forget to answer my question.

  43. 43 Asif December 2, 2008 at 10:11 am

    Well, I am pretty bad at writing but I really appreciate what is happening here on this blog..
    Question is not that how bad the govt is,
    how bad police force is or how bad the whole system is..
    the question is: what kind of change can I bring to the system to make it aware and am I really bringing that change?!
    I think people should be addressed about ground realities and the real issues.
    The other day, I saw women in towel alongwith their children when a major earthquake was hit in the city. We love to live, nobody can get ready to give up on his/her life just like that, or start taking others without a good reason.
    If there were 10 terrorists, all of them were not here for ‘jehad’. They had their own reasons for which they were fighting, killing people or were ready to give up on their lives as well.
    Got to go write now, will write further if I get time..

    @Kashif
    thanks for making me aware about Kashmir, I didn’t know that!!!!
    But still this is something that is coming deep from my heart:
    Loser, get a life…. giggles!!!!!! ;o)

  44. 44 Mohammad Ali December 2, 2008 at 11:26 am

    What position Kashif has taken, though the one I will not agree with, is one of the two school of thoughts here in Pakistan. But a commonality between them is, that everyone, denounces what happenned in Mumbai, I have posted before and I will do so again that loss of life, especially in the manner of the Mumbai events, in not only tragic and adbhorable as well.

    About Pakistan’s involvement, I will not rule out absolute possibility of the various armed ( though banned from last 3 years or so) groups. Here police and Army is coming hard on them, capturing and arresting them. We have been on the receiving side of their similar acts like in Mumbai, Pakistan has lost more than 5,000 lives in last 5 years at their hands.

    Now what surprised everyone here was, that while the events were underway, while efforts were still made to counter the gunment, and while a lot of people were still unaccountedd for, missing or made hostage, suddenly a salvo of allegations started coming from sane politicians in Indai, including the PM, and the usual overly agressive types as Mr. Modi.

    Pakistan’s foreign minister was in Delhi, remained there for more than 3 days, Our PM & President were in constant contact with your PM & President. but, the gestures led to a blame game which could have very dire consequences for an average person in both countries.

    If there has been some element’s involvement, keeping in view there previous actions in India, i reffer to jihadi and intelligence setups, then please make them public. It will help us get rid of these people not only for the good of Pakistan, but of the greater good of entire region.

    No one can and should defend those who have done this. Mr. Kashif is insanely bent upon saying that it was done by someone with in India, in the same manner as some others are bent upon saying it was Pakistan. I don”t see login or reason in both of there comments.

    The bottom line is, that world’s biggest metropolis was shattered in these attacks, countless died, and an even more daily wages workers lost livelihood, innocent local & foreign people were killed. Indian economy is hit, and the very social fibre of India is hit. It’s very natural for them to pressurize their leaders for answers and actions, but I fear, if that lead to a conflict, which is being shaped day in day out in New Delhi, more deaths and more destruction will follow. The very people who did this in Mumbai, had one purpose behind, not let world’s 25% population in India & Pakistan come closer and live in peace.

    about me:

    http://riseofpakistan.blogspot.com/2008/11/blame-game-is-on-south-asia-walking-on.html

    https://herosindigenes.wordpress.com/

  45. 45 Poonam Sharma December 2, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    @Xylene: That is a good doable list.

    @Shefaly: I didnt mean forgiving means forgetting. But forgetting and going on has become part of Mumbai. What about Indians who do not see Taj on their way to work? And then its called our ‘indomitable spirit’. All I am saying is need to do something more than usual.

    You are right about groups. Look at blogosphere, there are many such groups. Each of us is part os some group – be it social entrepreneur sites, and other donation camps. Money helps, certainly. Except for lending small money to needy peopel, most fund raising events for NGOs are used for corrective action. I have nothing against it. But I think we should partake in media, policing and governance. Its the harder part. We all educated souls want to make a good living (me included thats why I dont work full time in NGO like my sister), corrupt or inssentive men/women mann these positions of importance. I don’t know how good would Shiv Khera be able to bring, but I think it an act of courage to launch yourself into politics. Need is that eudcated youth needs to go out there in open!

    I will soon find you answer for your NGO query.

    @Liju: No problem! comments are meant for discussion. :)

    @kashif: I am not denying police atrocities anywhere in India (in fact my post does discuss it), and but then lets not deny Pak army atrocities either. Armies worldwide are same. Be it US or Pak. Pak army has not spared your celeb leaders as well.

    However, right now we are discussing Mumbai attacks and how we can avoid in futture. It was you who jumped in the discussion calling ti sham. Nowhere in my past I have indicated taht Pak is perpetrator. Though yes, as per media and government, there are positive indications toward that. But my post was not discussing about whodunnit, but what-to-do-next. I would appreciate taht you would stop spewing venom in this tragic hour. You are hurting my countrymen. I have deleted some of your offensive comments. I will further block you if you use write more offensive messages, as I can not let you misuse the freedom of expression.

    @lallopallo: You are right it was a conscious decision not to delete or block his comments. Now its going too far.

    @Asif: yes, these terrorists have their own ghosts, which makes them vulnerbale to be brain-washed for the cause of jehad.

    @praneshachar: kashif belongs to extremist school of thought that all India says is false. I guess so far kashif had his say, but spewing more venom is digressing the discussion from the point of post.

    @Mohammed Ali: I appreciate your condolences and agree with your assessment that these attcks have been carried with intent to stop the peace dialogue between India and Pak. I guess government is doing what they can to share their intelligence. And I agree not much lies in terms of solution by indulging into blame game.

  46. 46 Man of Roma December 2, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    I didn’t comment until now on the Mumbai attacks. I thought that as an outsider I had to shut the hell up and read first newspapers and blog comments and try to understand.

    On the whole I think that India will find the moral strength to resist to all this folly. You’ve got to have faith that India as a whole, despite all her ethnic differences and languages, her contradictions and communalism (and silly SMSs) is much stronger than this foolishness and repugnant terror. I think you’ve seen worse moments since the days of Independence (for example the division between India and Pakistan). You’ve got to have faith. Many people around the world, not only in the West, believe that India’s resurrection will not be stopped by nihilism, envy and fanaticism.

  47. 47 cool4u December 2, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Nice post. Most of the institutions that you have talked of are required, though need a lot of improvement. Govt has to rise above petty politics to make a difference.
    For what to expect in the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks.
    Read:

    http://maverickindianmusings.blogspot.com/2008/12/mumbai-2611-and-its-aftermath.html

  48. 48 kashif iqbal December 3, 2008 at 2:08 am

    all u came up is a list of some wanted men n that list was given to even musharraf in 2001 n even he rejected ur list…hahaa….. when is the election for BJP? haha

    come up with a good drama or make a movie about it……hire a director or ask obama to help u ….so it doesn’t go wrong the next time…..hahaha

    i think ur gov should go home n watch ur soaps..hahaha coz providing security is something in which they have failed BIG TIMES….

  49. 49 Sam December 3, 2008 at 2:50 am

    @ Mohammad Ali and @Kashif

    We Indians understand that Kashmir issue was created out of sheer politics and There are mishappenings from Indian Military over there but you cannot deny that the POK – ur so called azad kashmir has people even in further distress and they are tortured and used by the Terrorist Training camps.
    We understand that the Terror groups were earlier created to create a lot of unrest in India and the world in order to speed up the resolution of the Kashmir issue but it is still there due to idiotic politicians on both sides but now the situation is these so called Jehadi’s are running your government i.e. they have grown too powerful to be banned or controlled by ur goverment and they are just killing people everywhere without any thought.
    We do not blame the common man of Pakistan as they do not have anything to do with these atrocities but you cannot deny that these terrorists have pakistani blood flowing through them top to bottom.
    If you are showing us videos , then scan through you tube again and you will see a lot of other stuff like weapons are freely available and manufactured in ur country and kids of age 10 – 12 are experts in making those.
    Please don’t teach us about humanity as everyone knows how people are treated in pakistan especially women – If a women is raped , then it can’t be proved unless 4 people of upper society see it happenning(and you say that u are treated equal there and you can pray with king of Arabia- Pray for what torturing some more Humans who are poor or Raping some more women) and then the Same women is put under trial under punishment for Adultary…
    you got to be kidding teaching us over humanity as you do not have any ..
    you seem to be one of those who is well educated and brought up but was too rich and powerful and these Torturous conditions in Pakistan seems good to be you..
    Someone needs to really kick ur butt and tell you what being Humane is about ..
    Rest of my friends from all over the world(Including good pakistani souls) lets take this moment to mourn and pray for the People and their families affected by this attack..

  50. 50 Sam December 3, 2008 at 2:52 am

    @ Mohammad Ali and @Kashif

    We Indians understand that Kashmir issue was created out of sheer politics and There are mishappenings from Indian Military over there but you cannot deny that the POK – ur so called azad kashmir has people even in further distress and they are tortured and used by the Terrorist Training camps.
    We understand that the Terror groups were earlier created to create a lot of unrest in India and the world in order to speed up the resolution of the Kashmir issue but it is still there due to idiotic politicians on both sides but now the situation is these so called Jehadi’s are running your government i.e. they have grown too powerful to be banned or controlled by ur goverment and they are just killing people everywhere without any thought.
    We do not blame the common man of Pakistan as they do not have anything to do with these atrocities but you cannot deny that these terrorists have pakistani blood flowing through them top to bottom.
    If you are showing us videos , then scan through you tube again and you will see a lot of other stuff like weapons are freely available and manufactured in ur country and kids of age 10 – 12 are experts in making those.
    Please don’t teach us about humanity as everyone knows how people are treated in pakistan especially women – If a women is raped , then it can’t be proved unless 4 people of upper society see it happenning(and you say that u are treated equal there and you can pray with king of Arabia- Pray for what torturing some more Humans who are poor or Raping some more women) and then the Same women is put under trial under punishment for Adultary – what do you expect she should call someone with a video camera ..
    you got to be kidding teaching us over humanity as you do not have any ..
    you seem to be one of those who is well educated and brought up but was too rich and powerful and these Torturous conditions in Pakistan seems good to be you and have been subjecting other to it..
    Someone needs to really kick ur butt and tell you what being Humane is about ..
    Rest of my friends from all over the world(Including good pakistani souls) lets take this moment to mourn and pray for the People and their families affected by this attack..

  51. 51 praneshachar December 3, 2008 at 5:54 am

    Poonam,
    If u feel my comment is “spewing more venom ” I am sorry I never intended where more venom is there can be seen by the comments of so many readers. If u feel so as a moderator you have go every right to delete the comment. I am not clear where your comment is intended. I will he highly obliged if this can be clarified.
    have a good day
    let us have univesal peach and no terrorism in any where around the world.
    with regards

    praneshachar.

    hav

  52. 52 amit December 3, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Oho Kashif!!! You again sidelined my question. It seems you don’t have an answer.
    Ok, I’ll repeat it for you –
    The question was – If a blast happens in Pakistan and your government produces evidence that India is behind that, would you blindly refuse to believe that and say – No!! India was not involved but it was because of a communal clash between the Shias and the Sunnis and the government of Pakistan is just trying to take advantage of the situation?
    Would you do that?

    And, yes, we remember giving a list to Mush, but it was rejected. It can be because of many reasons – Mush was very busy inaugurating terrorist camps and didn’t get the time to have a look at it OR maybe he himself was on the list OR he thought that maybe closing the camps might increse unemployemt in your country and he let the thought pass.
    India should not have asked for the list in the first place. Imagine asking a theif to hand over his associates!!!

    And, its good that atleast you changed your statement from “Indian Govt is behind it” to “Indian govt failed to provide security”. Now if Indian Govt was behind it, why the hell would they provide a good security?? Can you please clear up your brain(if it exists) first??

  53. 53 Arpit December 3, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    @ amit : amit, its useless to reply back to this person’s comment. you will keep banging your head on the wall but he wouldnt get the point plus i think if he had that much of brains he would have already understood this before all this heated discussion started

  54. 54 Arpit December 3, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    @ poonam : poonam, i request you to block kashif comment . they are really making me sick . moreover he is just trying to test our level of patience . so before we all just blast off him ( amit has already done that) , i request you to do it. besides i know that i dont have any authority to ask you for this favor but i just feel he is trying to hurt our sentiments.

  55. 55 Arpit December 3, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    @ kashif : just hang up there you sick mind . if you had that much of brain you wont go on indiscriminately laughing off like a foul animal at the death of so many people. if you think that such comments from a freak like you could turn us down…..just forget it!
    and yes its people like you with such irrational thinking who land up being terrorist. so next time where are you going to land mumbai or delhi?

    ps- poonam this is for the first time that i am leaving such a comment.
    if you feel its justified enough then do keep it or else feel free to delete it

  56. 56 pr3rna December 3, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Poonam, I have provided a few links from very respected Pakistani columnists here-

    http://pr3rna.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/a-balanced-approach/

    An article written by a Pakistani may be more acceptable to our Pakistani friends.

  57. 57 kashif iqbal December 8, 2008 at 2:30 am

    ooh comon now….be a sports…its democracy in ur country which means everybody is allowed to speak…. and this is the cyber world…nobody controls it… may be ur RAW agents do hahaha

    anywayz……blocking me….is that the best u can come up with…haha
    don’t u have the guts to face reality…

    where was ur humanity when 3000 muslims were burnt alive in gujrat n narinder modi was watching n even u all…

    muslims are being killed in kashmir on daily basis..where is ur humanity now?… why not ur hindus….why have stopped their trade routes….their trucks burnt alive..

    we alhumdulillah will never do anything to our AZAD KASHMIR BROTHERS….never will kill them…never will stop their trading routes.

    if they don’t want to be a part of you…..so let them be free….u have already a population of 72% which lives under half a dollar per day…hahaha

    n ur gov is so obsessed with “MAKING WEAPONS OF PEACE FOR YOUR DEFENCE”…..nobody escapes muslims when they r provked…

    we as muslims ruled over you for 800 years….name a single accident in which himdus were tortured or burnt alive….they were treated on reciprocal basis…

    then the English came and you became their slaves…haha

    i belong to a region with which even Alexander the Great wrote to her mother….n did a treaty with my great grandfathers instead of a war coz his mother warned him ” that do not fight Afridi’s or u’ll be killed and ur army” ….read the history…its in the books.

    the english never conquered us……they were beaten every time…

    So far i am sorry to be honest…..but for a country n ppl like you, only the tribal ppl of Pakistan r enough….

    but above all… lets give diplomacy a chance….if some group is involved, doesn’t mean that the whole nation is involved and the government.

    and last single piece of advice for u all….stop watching ur tv alot….hahaha

  58. 58 kashif iqbal December 8, 2008 at 2:34 am

    ooh comon now….be a sports…its democracy in ur country which means everybody is allowed to speak…. and this is the cyber world…nobody controls it… may be ur RAW agents do hahaha

    anywayz……blocking me….is that the best u can come up with…haha
    don’t u have the guts to face reality…

    where was ur humanity when 3000 muslims were burnt alive in gujrat n narinder modi was watching n even u all…

    muslims are being killed in kashmir on daily basis..where is ur humanity now?… why not ur hindus….why have stopped their trade routes….their trucks burnt alive..

    we alhumdulillah will never do anything to our AZAD KASHMIR BROTHERS….never will kill them…never will stop their trading routes.

    if they don’t want to be a part of you…..so let them be free….u have already a population of 72% which lives under half a dollar per day…hahaha

    n ur gov is so obsessed with “MAKING WEAPONS OF PEACE FOR YOUR DEFENCE”…..nobody escapes muslims when they r provked…

    we as muslims ruled over you for 800 years….name a single accident in which himdus were tortured or burnt alive….they were treated on reciprocal basis…

    then the English came and you became their slaves…haha

    i belong to a region with which even Alexander the Great wrote to her mother….n did a treaty with my great grandfathers instead of a war coz his mother warned him ” that do not fight Afridi’s or u’ll be killed and ur army” ….read the history…its in the books.

    the english never conquered us……they were beaten every time…

    So far i am sorry to be honest…..but for a country n ppl like you, only the tribal ppl of Pakistan r enough….

    but above all… lets give diplomacy a chance….if some group is involved, doesn’t mean that the whole nation is involved and the government.

    and last single piece of advice for u all….stop watching ur tv alot….hahaha

    and i would personally wish to give award to the brave police officer who sacrificed his life….may his soul rest in piece.

  59. 59 Arpit December 10, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    oh so mr kashif is again back….i thought after reading the comments and after being insulted so much by other bloggers you would have thought of buzzing off………but look here you are ……seems you are so thick skinned that you dont know what you are doing or saying and besides i dont feel like answering to your questions because they arent worth answering ….and talking about democracy yes we do have it and thats the reason we are still allowing you to speak for no good …..democracy is actually meant for sensible people and not for a pest like you who is just making a fool of himself……..and yes i think all the bloggers here are enough to handle a brainless freak like you

    ps- you didnt answer my question where are you going to land mr???

  60. 60 Arpit December 10, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    get your spelling checked first ……its peace and not piece
    besides we never said that whole nation is involved …..read the previous comments…brush up your knowledge first and stop lurking in here with only facts …..
    oh so you are turning to sanity…….glad you are accepting some changes……
    i wonder where did you rub off your stinking thinking
    but its okay at least you have started showing some signs of a human being!

  61. 61 amit December 10, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    @Kashif : I hope you have been following the news. Its great to know that the Terrorist who was taken from India by hijacking IC814 flight is in Pakistan and they have detained him. I don’t think any of us need to argue about that? The guy was always there, wasn’t he?
    Oh wait! But maybe that hijack was masterminded by us. I am not able to come up with a reason but maybe you can help???
    And I saw a feed of a Pakistani news channel(we watch channels of other countries as well). So 9/11 was masterminded by USA?? And 26/11 was masterminded by India?? I wonder what next? :lol:
    I always believed that if someone is caught red handed, the person can maintain a dignified shameful silence. But it seems that since your country is full of people like you, that would be too much to ask.
    p.s. You still haven’t answered my question. Do you want me to repeat it again?

  62. 62 Poonam Sharma December 11, 2008 at 10:09 am

    @Manofroma: yes, india needs to and will find moral strength to stand tall. We have failt. :)

    @cool4u: Thanks for your link and comment. I have read your post.

    @kashif: now ur comments are getting hilarious and beside the point.

    @sam: That was quite some comment. I agree when you say none of us blames the pakistani common men. I will not talk about women’s condition is Pakistan or for that another middle east country. Its a different issue altogether. But I will say that we can not blame Indians alone for the plight of Kasmiris, Pakistan has not been very good with them too.

    @praneshachar: I did not mean your comment, I meant kashif. If he would be writing despicable comments, i will delete them. I do not have any reason to complain about you. Instead you been a motivation to write. :)

    @arpit: You are forbidding amit to reply kashif. While you are consistently replying back to him. I haven’t blocked kashif for a reason because his comments have been at best shallow and pointless so far. There is not much reason to block him. He is not able to hold his ground in the argument he, himself initiated. Stay put till he has a plausible, cogent case.

    @amit: what do i say? you have said much yourself. :)

    @pr3rna: Thanks for the link! I have included this in my next post. :)

    @kashif: The reason you are able to express your, sometimes bordering to-despicable sentiment is because we, Indians have a democratic set of mind. I find it amusing that you being a pakistani, which was before part of India talk about “then the English came and you became their slaves” !! We will respond if you talk sense.

  63. 63 Arpit December 11, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    @ poonam : i think you are right poonam. obviously he is constantly loosing ground on the heated discussion initiated by himself….right i had better not reply back and thanks for the advice :P

  64. 64 Sanghamitra December 13, 2008 at 2:36 am

    I just have one thing to say when I read the headlines in the press and see the live coverage in the media on these terror attacks – we Mumbaikars and the nation as a whole have become numb to these atrocities… My heart goes out to the innocent victims of this senseless violence. In the largest democracy, we are so inept that we cannot elect politicians who are less regional and more Indian, who put the country and its people before their individual gain. How many times will we hearr, after every terror strike, that the Center and the State had prior information on the attacks but did NOTHING about it… it is a shameful that the terrorists who attacked our parliament and were caught and convicted to the death sentence by the highest court in the country are still alive just because the politicians want to appease a certain community. One can just hope and pray that good sense prevails and we wake up to realise that enough is enough!

  65. 65 Syed kashif iqbal Shah December 22, 2008 at 3:14 am

    ok we’ll talk sense then….lolz although i find it abit amusing.

    so update me….how is ur investigation going on. coz i heard from my father that on the floor of the parliament..no information is coming from ur side of government, i wonder why? don’t u want these people to be punished just like i do for killing innocent people. ask ur government why u not sharing info about these people with our gov, if the US can do it, so should you, so we tackle it once n for all n finish the story, which is making the headline news.

    we share info about our nuclear assets every year, are these people more important than our nuclear assets now? ask urself

    and the main reason why i am coming again and again to ur blog….although ive got so much things to do, businesses to run, is not to humiliate you or anything my friends. because this region needs to live in peace from iran till bangladesh.

    nations have to survive times like these, Europe after Hitler, look where it is standing now. it was hit hard after world war 1 and 2. but things normalized. now everybody wants to buy a BMW or a Mercedes or an AUDI. even though knowing its a German made.

  66. 66 Poonam Sharma December 22, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    @Sanghamitra: yes, this was another time we heard that we had infor and we never did anything aboout it.

    @Kashif: We want peace too and we are survivers. Kasab is Pakistani thaat fact has been established beyond doubt. His parents acknowledge, there’s DNA too. What more proof is required by lame Zardari? I call him lame because its clear that poor guy has no power in his country.

    As for investigation, it is open. FBI is also part of it. Americans have so far been great frinds to Pakitsn, haven’t they? http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/22mumterror-fbi-grills-lone-terrorist-caugght-after-mumbay-mayhem.htm

    What else do you expet from us?

  67. 67 Syed kashif iqbal Shah December 22, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Miss Poonam.

    with all due respect, i don’t trust the Americans, they r simply arms sellers. they would say one thing in Delhi and another in Islamabad, its what called hypocrisy. we r neighbors n will stay neighbors as long as we are alive, right

    Yesterday my dad had few politicians friends came over, discussing the current situation, and one interesting element which the gentleman pointed out is the recent recession in their economic and stock market. and a war between India and Pakistan will be the best place to cash in on all those bail out plans. that would mean selling arms n ammo to kill u and me…simple while they enjoy the martini…

    the Lame Zardari is bound by some agreements done by Musharraf, so his hands are tied to the Americans. i don’t want to go in to details of those agreements.

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